"Rares" bei e-Bay

prankowski666 · 23.11.2007 14:31:57

Forbidden Evil schrieb:

Dafür das das Ding ein Loch und einen recht großen cut hat will der typ aber ziemlich viel Geld.

Das stimmt allerdings! hmm

sanctum · 23.11.2007 14:38:34

die scheinen alle irgendwo ein loch zu haben - meine hat im Bereich der EAN Nummer auch ein Loch - komisch

yog-sothoth · 23.11.2007 21:17:14

Forbidden Evil schrieb:

Dafür das das Ding ein Loch und einen recht großen cut hat will der typ aber ziemlich viel Geld.

Betrachte es einfach als Promo-Scheibe, dann geht das Loch i.O.
(CC ist nicht CO)

Sovdat · 29.11.2007 22:04:00

ZZOOOUHH · 29.11.2007 22:30:12

Sovdat schrieb:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2706/cyclonenq8.jpg

Hell YEAH this gojira guy from France allways win every auction he bid on , there is no price he is not willing to pay for an item

ZZOOOUHH

Saltatio · 30.11.2007 09:23:16

yog-sothoth schrieb:

Forbidden Evil schrieb:
Dafür das das Ding ein Loch und einen recht großen cut hat will der typ aber ziemlich viel Geld.
Betrachte es einfach als Promo-Scheibe, dann geht das Loch i.O.
(CC ist nicht CO)

Ja, wenns gelocht ist, dann ists automatisch eine Promo CD. Die werden in der Regel aber nur dann gelocht, wenn von der CD keine Promos hergestellt worden sind (Meistens bei MCDs oder Singles)

caminantenocturno · 30.11.2007 11:14:29

ZZOOOUHH schrieb:

Sovdat schrieb:
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/2706/cyclonenq8.jpg
Hell YEAH this gojira guy from France allways win every auction he bid on , there is no price he is not willing to pay for an item
ZZOOOUHH

How'd you know if all he ever got is seven positive feedbacks ... ???

caminantenocturno · 30.11.2007 11:15:58

Saltatio schrieb:

yog-sothoth schrieb:
Forbidden Evil schrieb:
Dafür das das Ding ein Loch und einen recht großen cut hat will der typ aber ziemlich viel Geld.
Betrachte es einfach als Promo-Scheibe, dann geht das Loch i.O.
(CC ist nicht CO)
Ja, wenns gelocht ist, dann ists automatisch eine Promo CD. Die werden in der Regel aber nur dann gelocht, wenn von der CD keine Promos hergestellt worden sind (Meistens bei MCDs oder Singles)

Oh, und ich dachte, das wäre typisch für US-Pressungen, die man im Herkunftsland nichtmehr los wird, und dann gelocht im Ausland verramscht ... ???

ZZOOOUHH · 30.11.2007 11:19:03

caminantenocturno schrieb:

How'd you know if all he ever got is seven positive feedbacks ... ???

schaue dir mal an wann diese Auktion war 19.06.2006.inzwischen hatt er über 130 Bewertungen ....
Mfg., ZZOOOUHH

Beitrag geändert von ZZOOOUHH (30.11.2007 11:19:44)

Saltatio · 30.11.2007 11:52:29

caminantenocturno schrieb:

Saltatio schrieb:
yog-sothoth schrieb:
Betrachte es einfach als Promo-Scheibe, dann geht das Loch i.O.
(CC ist nicht CO)
Ja, wenns gelocht ist, dann ists automatisch eine Promo CD. Die werden in der Regel aber nur dann gelocht, wenn von der CD keine Promos hergestellt worden sind (Meistens bei MCDs oder Singles)
Oh, und ich dachte, das wäre typisch für US-Pressungen, die man im Herkunftsland nichtmehr los wird, und dann gelocht im Ausland verramscht ... ???

Nö...
und eigentlich dürften die garnicht mehr verramscht werden,
aber ich hatte schon 2mal der Glück bei Ebay eine gelochte zu ersteigern

caminantenocturno · 30.11.2007 12:43:43

ZZOOOUHH schrieb:

caminantenocturno schrieb:
How'd you know if all he ever got is seven positive feedbacks ... ???
schaue dir mal an wann diese Auktion war 19.06.2006.inzwischen hatt er über 130 Bewertungen ....
Mfg., ZZOOOUHH

I see ... die DM-Verrückten unter sich big_smile

caminantenocturno · 30.11.2007 12:45:16

Saltatio schrieb:

caminantenocturno schrieb:
Saltatio schrieb:
Ja, wenns gelocht ist, dann ists automatisch eine Promo CD. Die werden in der Regel aber nur dann gelocht, wenn von der CD keine Promos hergestellt worden sind (Meistens bei MCDs oder Singles)
Oh, und ich dachte, das wäre typisch für US-Pressungen, die man im Herkunftsland nichtmehr los wird, und dann gelocht im Ausland verramscht ... ???
Nö...
und eigentlich dürften die garnicht mehr verramscht werden,
aber ich hatte schon 2mal der Glück bei Ebay eine gelochte zu ersteigern

Ja, klar, inzwischen würde niemand mehr von "Ramsch" reden, bei Vinyl war's aber lange Zeit tatsächlich so ...

yog-sothoth · 01.12.2007 00:54:13

caminantenocturno schrieb:

Saltatio schrieb:
caminantenocturno schrieb:
Oh, und ich dachte, das wäre typisch für US-Pressungen, die man im Herkunftsland nichtmehr los wird, und dann gelocht im Ausland verramscht ... ???
Nö...
und eigentlich dürften die garnicht mehr verramscht werden,
aber ich hatte schon 2mal der Glück bei Ebay eine gelochte zu ersteigern
Ja, klar, inzwischen würde niemand mehr von "Ramsch" reden, bei Vinyl war's aber lange Zeit tatsächlich so ...

Wie schon erwähnt gelten CutCorner (CC) und CutHole (CH) als Promos. CutOut (CO) sind 'Ramsch'. wink

Im Prinzip haben alle Cuts den selben Zweck: Wertverminderung des Tonträgers durch verunstalten der Hülle.

Da aber Promos oftmals noch Beigemüse wie Bios und Fotos hatten, wird es besonders bei weniger bekannten Bands wiederum sehr interessant.

Leonidas · 01.12.2007 10:18:24

an die Schlagerfans unter uns .....

http://cgi.ebay.de/Udo-Juergens-Live-Ha … dZViewItem

Ist die wirklich rar ???

Anmerkung : Bin kein Schlagerfan ...!!!

yog-sothoth · 01.12.2007 10:28:06

Leonidas schrieb:

an die Schlagerfans unter uns .....
http://cgi.ebay.de/Udo-Juergens-Live-Ha … dZViewItem
Ist die wirklich rar ???
Anmerkung : Bin kein Schlagerfan ...!!!

Anhand des Veröffentlichungsjahres dürfte die schon Rar sein. war das Verhältnis LP - CD damals ein ganz anderes als heutzutage.

Dustdevil · 01.12.2007 12:23:46

Leonidas schrieb:

an die Schlagerfans unter uns .....
http://cgi.ebay.de/Udo-Juergens-Live-Ha … dZViewItem
Ist die wirklich rar ???
Anmerkung : Bin kein Schlagerfan ...!!!

Jau, die ist wirklich ulrarar aber nur auf CD.
Die ist als CD in einer viel zu kleinen Auflage damals gepresst worden,
und wurde bisher nie wieder neu aufgelegt.
Die LP bekommste hinterhergeschmissen.
Der Hammer ist, letztens auf dem Trödel kauft die mir son Arsch für 5 Euro vor der Nase weg.
Der Verkäufer hatte natürlich keine Ahnung.
Der Käufer grinste mich wissentlich an und ich hab mir wegen 1 Minute zu spät
aber mächtig in den Arsch gebissen....

Sovdat · 02.12.2007 18:52:29

EPITAPH - Seeming Salvation $224.72
http://cgi.ebay.com/EPITAPH-SEEMING-SAL … dZViewItem

BLIND ILLUSION - The Sane Asylum $127.5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=017

EXUMER - Rising from the Sea $100
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=017

Vuvr - trader/friend from Australia, great guy, but he's usually really paying too much smile

_________
UNCLE SLAM - Say Uncle CD ... "reserve not met" (Yet), $100 (at the moment ...)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=019

Beitrag geändert von Sovdat (02.12.2007 18:55:44)

Stormrider · 02.12.2007 19:04:11

Sovdat schrieb:

EPITAPH - Seeming Salvation $224.72
http://cgi.ebay.com/EPITAPH-SEEMING-SAL … dZViewItem
BLIND ILLUSION - The Sane Asylum $127.5
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=017
EXUMER - Rising from the Sea $100
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=017
Vuvr - trader/friend from Australia, great guy, but he's usually really paying too much
_________
UNCLE SLAM - Say Uncle CD ... "reserve not met" (Yet), $100 (at the moment ...)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi … :IT&ih=019

BIG LOL @ every person who thinks he MUST possess the original (and no out of print) issue of an album which has been reissued in recent times. Those guys are totally nuts.

Paying that much money for an album like Blind Illusion or Exume, which you basically at every good online CD source to me is the same as burning dollar bills.

Sovdat · 02.12.2007 19:36:43

@ Stormrider: I agree with you, party, but I guess that some people (including me smile ) are just possessed by the old design, history, smell smile , etc. of original pressings smile I would have never spent more than, let's say 40 eur, for stuff that's also rereleased (2 exceptions: 1 - Razor, 2 - if I'd win on a lottery smile ) but I guess - to each his own, it's a passion and if someone's willing to spend outrageous amount of money for his own satisfaction of owning the exact item, then so be it! I guess the vinyl-maniacs feel similar about it, and they're still paying $1000 for Leather Nunn LP which is available for $10 on a CD smile

However, that price for Exumer CD is really extreme, even 1/2 of it would be much.

Now sorry again for writing this in English, cheers! smile
Sovdat

Stormrider · 03.12.2007 00:32:40

Sovdat schrieb:

@ Stormrider: I agree with you, party, but I guess that some people (including me ) are just possessed by the old design, history, smell , etc. of original pressings I would have never spent more than, let's say 40 eur, for stuff that's also rereleased (2 exceptions: 1 - Razor, 2 - if I'd win on a lottery ) but I guess - to each his own, it's a passion and if someone's willing to spend outrageous amount of money for his own satisfaction of owning the exact item, then so be it! I guess the vinyl-maniacs feel similar about it, and they're still paying $1000 for Leather Nunn LP which is available for $10 on a CD
However, that price for Exumer CD is really extreme, even 1/2 of it would be much.
Now sorry again for writing this in English, cheers!
Sovdat

I guess you and a few other People just suffer from a strange obsession which i will never understand. There's sooo much cool music around no Album "deserves" a price that is higher than let's say 50 euros (maximum).

caminantenocturno · 03.12.2007 11:00:42

Stormrider schrieb:

Sovdat schrieb:
@ Stormrider: I agree with you, party, but I guess that some people (including me ) are just possessed by the old design, history, smell , etc. of original pressings I would have never spent more than, let's say 40 eur, for stuff that's also rereleased (2 exceptions: 1 - Razor, 2 - if I'd win on a lottery ) but I guess - to each his own, it's a passion and if someone's willing to spend outrageous amount of money for his own satisfaction of owning the exact item, then so be it! I guess the vinyl-maniacs feel similar about it, and they're still paying $1000 for Leather Nunn LP which is available for $10 on a CD
However, that price for Exumer CD is really extreme, even 1/2 of it would be much.
Now sorry again for writing this in English, cheers!
Sovdat
I guess you and a few other People just suffer from a strange obsession which i will never understand. There's sooo much cool music around no Album "deserves" a price that is higher than let's say 50 euros (maximum).

Yeah, I'm with you here, as I explained before to Sovdat (no offence man, hope you didn't take it that way).
Personally I'll buy any album in the cheapest version available, with preference for the original vinyl if possible.
Having said that there're still people who focus on their favourite group and buy any version of any album they can get their hands on - just a different form of collecting and not too different from looking for the original early CD-versions of certain metal-indies ... roll

Sovdat · 03.12.2007 12:08:54

Well, I've never paid more than 50 eur for anything (and only for a handful of items more than 30 eur) and I don't intend to do that in the future too (there are few exceptions, though), and I still managed to get some very expensive / rare CDs, so I'm totally OK with it. But, if someone can afford, and is willing to pay $100+ for an old, rare, and musically great CD, then so be it, it's his own decision, I can understand why (s)he did that. I on the other hand rather prefer scanning different trade / sale lists on many forums, ebay, private distros, etc., it's more fun and it's cheaper - patience and will are virtues, or so they say smile

yog-sothoth · 03.12.2007 23:50:17

caminantenocturno schrieb:

Stormrider schrieb:
Sovdat schrieb:
@ Stormrider: I agree with you, party, but I guess that some people (including me ) are just possessed by the old design, history, smell , etc. of original pressings I would have never spent more than, let's say 40 eur, for stuff that's also rereleased (2 exceptions: 1 - Razor, 2 - if I'd win on a lottery ) but I guess - to each his own, it's a passion and if someone's willing to spend outrageous amount of money for his own satisfaction of owning the exact item, then so be it! I guess the vinyl-maniacs feel similar about it, and they're still paying $1000 for Leather Nunn LP which is available for $10 on a CD
However, that price for Exumer CD is really extreme, even 1/2 of it would be much.
Now sorry again for writing this in English, cheers!
Sovdat
I guess you and a few other People just suffer from a strange obsession which i will never understand. There's sooo much cool music around no Album "deserves" a price that is higher than let's say 50 euros (maximum).
Yeah, I'm with you here, as I explained before to Sovdat (no offence man, hope you didn't take it that way).
Personally I'll buy any album in the cheapest version available, with preference for the original vinyl if possible.
Having said that there're still people who focus on their favourite group and buy any version of any album they can get their hands on - just a different form of collecting and not too different from looking for the original early CD-versions of certain metal-indies ...

So what's the deal? buying a cheap Bootleg (and you know that it is only a cheap release made by some rip-offs only interested in money) or you invest more time and more money to fetch a real original (also knowing the artist will get no money from that but it's a real copy once selled from the artist and brought now to your home to stay there until you lie six feet under).
There are as many meanings as there are assholes (means everyone has it's own) to this discussion. Some people will never understand why others buy a record that cost >100$ and also i for example will never understand why people invest money into cheap cd's.
Also intersting in this case is the fact people who buy cd's are surely ripped-off more by the industry than people that buy real rarites. Only take a look at the prices for cd production including layout and compare with what a cd gets offered when bought newly.
So rarity collectors also don't suffer from strange obsession, they have only a different point of view what's important for them. As example: i just reserved a Manowar testpressing from 1982 that is also +50€, now should i wait 20 years until this specific record is released on cd with the same uniquity and magic like the original will have? forget it, when i want that specific record i have to pay for it's uniquity. A real collector always wants to own the original, especially in important releases. In my view these people deserve more respect than they get, because they go the harder way (in time and price) than the others who only buy the easiest copy they can get, without bending what kind of copy it is.

Morgoth42x · 04.12.2007 08:47:18

But you compare only, the orig. release with a bootleg, what is with all the stuff that is ofiicially rereleased, there (most of) the bands will get money for ... better buy this (remastered with Bonustracks an a nice booklet for ~ $20) or the original release (with "lochfrass" for > $ 100). same for all the rereleased vinyl.

caminantenocturno · 04.12.2007 10:08:11

yog-sothoth schrieb:

caminantenocturno schrieb:
Stormrider schrieb:
I guess you and a few other People just suffer from a strange obsession which i will never understand. There's sooo much cool music around no Album "deserves" a price that is higher than let's say 50 euros (maximum).
Yeah, I'm with you here, as I explained before to Sovdat (no offence man, hope you didn't take it that way).
Personally I'll buy any album in the cheapest version available, with preference for the original vinyl if possible.
Having said that there're still people who focus on their favourite group and buy any version of any album they can get their hands on - just a different form of collecting and not too different from looking for the original early CD-versions of certain metal-indies ...
So what's the deal? buying a cheap Bootleg (and you know that it is only a cheap release made by some rip-offs only interested in money) or you invest more time and more money to fetch a real original (also knowing the artist will get no money from that but it's a real copy once selled from the artist and brought now to your home to stay there until you lie six feet under).
There are as many meanings as there are assholes (means everyone has it's own) to this discussion. Some people will never understand why others buy a record that cost >100$ and also i for example will never understand why people invest money into cheap cd's.

That's not what I wanted to say. To explaine better, we discussed for example the Détente alubm "Recognise no Authority" - my near-mint-copy on vinyl costed me at most five Euro and I'm perfectly fine with it. Then again, some only are looking for CDs - fair, but even in that case I would go for the recent official re-release instead buying the high priced original issue on RR (as part of the "price killers"-serie - ha, that's a laugh).
But of course, as I said before, that's a very personal decision, which I would never question.
Don't get me wrong, I will always go for the original version (on vinyl mostly) and buy boots only to see if it's worth it.

yog-sothoth schrieb:

Also intersting in this case is the fact people who buy cd's are surely ripped-off more by the industry than people that buy real rarites. Only take a look at the prices for cd production including layout and compare with what a cd gets offered when bought newly.

Yeah, that goes without saying ...

yog-sothoth schrieb:

So rarity collectors also don't suffer from strange obsession, they have only a different point of view what's important for them. As example: i just reserved a Manowar testpressing from 1982 that is also +50€, now should i wait 20 years until this specific record is released on cd with the same uniquity and magic like the original will have? forget it, when i want that specific record i have to pay for it's uniquity. A real collector always wants to own the original, especially in important releases. In my view these people deserve more respect than they get, because they go the harder way (in time and price) than the others who only buy the easiest copy they can get, without bending what kind of copy it is.

Certainly, and so do I. Man, priest, you know me already, of course I'm with you here ...

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