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Presswerk IFPI-Code range: 68**
Country of plant: Sweden (meaning all references to this range having possible Norway and Denmark locations shall be removed)
Companies: CD Plant AB (until 1997), SDC DanDisk A/S (1997-2005), d:centia (2005-now)

Sources:
http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/1022741
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/sdc-da … nt--123874
http://borsen.dk/nyheder/generelt/artik … hange.html (Ctrl+F search for DanDisk)
http://news.cision.com/se/dicentia/r/sd … ia,c174678 (unfortunately this one is only in Swedish, but Google Translate handles it decently, first sentence of the second paragraph is the important one)
http://www.crimson-ceremony.net/pr3/mf/odlist.php (already referenced in the Wiki)

I hope this is enough proof to end the mess in the Wiki.

EDIT: Added some more links and ownership timeline to show the connections better.
EDIT 2: Due to this taking so much time to review some news archive links expired, replaced those.

* It's more complicated than you think.

I have looked into the sketch Elric proposed a few posts up and I like it. I discussed this with a friend of mine who is an Overkill collector and learned that a few Overkill CDs has been re-pressed almost every year since the 80s with the exact same matrix, which counting from 1994 when IFPI-codes came that there are probably as many as 100 variations (maybe even more) of this CD and in the current system they can simply not be added because they would create a very extreme case of the chaos that many users have a concern about.

In fact, I think the sketch Elric proposed is a very nice solution to the problem. I have only a few probably quick questions about it, if a special edition has a bonus disc / bonus dvd but shares the exact same identifiers and the regular pressing for the master entry, would it make a new master entry? If not, how will the system treat these? And regarding bootleg replicas that share the identifiers with the original, can they be flagged as "bootleg" in the variant? In my opinion they shall not be new master entries. If one cares about versions, can one add more than one of them to the collection so that they will show up in the list when browsing the collection? And finally, for multi-disc releases, will you be able to pick Disc 1 from a list of Disc 1s and Disc 2 from a list of Disc 2s and so on, or will you have you choose a combination?

PS: If someone deems it necessary, please translate my post to German.

More additions:

I will use the same format as previous post.

IFPI 34**
IFPI L202
VTCD VIDEOTON Compact Disc Factory Ltd.
Hungary
reference: http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/581446

IFPI AEC**
N/A
-
China
reference: http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/719212

IFPI 20**
IFPI L390
Cinram
Mexico
reference: http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/611496

IFPI 33**
IFPI L192
Tecnodisco S.A.
Spain
reference: http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/68321

* Done

The matrixes looks like GZ matrixes to me, is there a small GZ logo before the matrix? If there is, then the pressings were outsourced and made by GZ and not by the companies that claim made them.
Compare: http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/310669 (Claims to be pressed in Sweden, but there is a GZ logo and is thus Czech)

If this is a case, the quoted change must be undone.

I believe I may be one of the guys that instigated this rule, so I feel obligated to reply to this discussion. I am sorry to reply with such delay, but since I do not read German very well I needed help having all of this discussion translated. I may have still misunderstood or missed parts of what have been said due to that the translations haven't been perfect all the time. Due to the extent of my reply it will be entirely in English and not available in German from me, if someone feels obligated, please translate this so everyone can understand my post.

AxxL on the first page touched what I consider the best idea... Create fields for SID-Codes in the data entry. But it will not be enough with just the first 2 digits in the plant SID-Code to determinate country, there are edge-cases like D:Centia, a Nordic company that have plants in Denmark, Sweden and Norway. And the problem is that the same SID-Code range when only the first 2 numbers are used apply to both Sweden and Norway... I have not yet figured out what codes apply to what plants. Also master SID-Codes are worth jack when it comes to determinating the country, there is a case of Virgin Steele - The House Of Atreus Act I where the master was made in USA and the CD pressed in Europe. The only thing master SID-Codes are good for are determinating which stamper produced the master. In this regard the SID-Code list of the KB is overly complicated.

In the mock-up that Elric posted on page 2, there is the case of replica bootlegs that may have font-differences only, how are these treated in your system? Would they still be new entries? And for us real madmen that collect different pressings of the same release, how do we add several versions to the collection under this system? If there are no sensible solutions for these problems, then I have to say that the idea is awful.
The suggested solution here is just like Discogs, if I was satisfied with that I would not have learned basic German just so I could access the extra detail Musik-Sammler offers.

There was mentioned a case where a 2CD release had different pressings of Disc 1 and the same pressing of Disc 2. I have no idea how to handle this as at this point everything becomes a chaos with any solution. Due to this day and age where greedy assholes (excuse the language, but I refuse to sugarcoat what they are) are making better and better bootleg replicas fooling us into thinking we're buying the real thing. We must know every detail of what is a legit pressing and what is not. At least until every person owns it's own carbon dating device that is accurate to month-level.
I am sure no collector here wants to own a replica bootleg of an album, and if you claim that you don't care then I will claim that you are not a true collector.

I would also like to add my view to what Trenschmode suggested regarding data set owners transferring responsibility. I would like to see the option for active data owners to surrender their data set to another release owner of their choice, this can be due to the data set owner discovering he owns a different press, or he sells his album. Or in the case where the owner has the album still sealed and a guy with an opened copy comes along. I don't know about the complexity to implement this but it may reduce the workload a bit for the moderators.
I am always open to take care of more entries, and so far no one has complained about my ability to take care of them. I also like to consider myself as very friendly to deal with if there is any questions regarding a data set I own, what I do not like however is having data changed without knowing why (cover change of Grave Digger - Hangman Box) or being talked to as if I am a moron (member telling me I obviously have a first pressing when I really didn't), in these cases I may get a little grumpy.

I also want to touch the subject of Fehlpressungs while I am at this, I cannot remember an example at hand but I have seen entered Fehlpressungs without description of what makes them such, it should be mandatory to explain why an entry shall count as a Fehlpressung.

And another unrelated side note: As an international user I sometimes have the problem that I am not replied to by data set owners even if I know they speak some degree of English, it has always puzzled me as I have seen them online and waited many weeks for a reply without getting one. This also include members stopping to reply to the conversation in the middle of trying to settle if I own the same version as them or not.

// John (Warepire)

Ah, thanks. My German translator didn't translate that to anything that made sense.

I already noticed der_harry created the entry, I was just interested in knowing if AdNoctum's version was the same as mine so I would not have the entry "fixed" ( = messing it up for him), I am not all too familiar with the GOI music releases.

I have now added the entry to my collection.

Not exactly an error but I have no idea of where to post this and this was the best thread I could think of...

http://www.musik-sammler.de/media/68321

I PNed AdNoctum about this a while ago without hearing anything from him... The EAN code matches the version I bought recently... it's just that my CD is a digipak and have a different cover, also my copy has a catalog number...
Has AdNoctum logged in within the last 3-4 weeks? Does anyone know what language he speaks?

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum Steve, if you find it hard to navigate the forum you can change the language on the forum functions in your "Profil"

In the first page, change the second drop down list to English and press the button at the bottom named "absenden"

Do note that the topics will not translate, just the forum functions.

My German is not very good, so when I have multiple problems of different types or are unsure where to put them I prefer to collect them here instead, I know it takes longer for them to be fixed when posted here but at least I know I won't post it in the wrong report-thread.
I have discovered that there may be differences in the last 2 digits regarding the same release... thus 2 different pressings, even if they are done by the same pressing company. And it takes the same time for me to write out the full number compared to 2 *'s, writing the numbers looks more professional in my book also my fingers are already on the numeric keys

http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/398947 => Album should be renamed to "Beto Vazquez Infinity" and merged with http://www.musik-sammler.de/album/55563
http://www.musik-sammler.de/artist/253725 => Should be removed after the above merge is done, Beto Vazquez have not released any (known) solo material.